Comments on: Brake Madness http://www.bleachburnout.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/ Home of the GTSparkplug Blog Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:35:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Sandy http://www.bleachburnout.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/comment-page-1/#comment-240 Sandy Tue, 31 Mar 2009 05:30:24 +0000 http://gtsparkplugs.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/#comment-240 Well FAIL #2, actually a sorta' FAIL... In checking the NEW bracket on a mocked up rotor and spindle I decided I would verify it's fit on the 11.75" rotors. Looked good, took a break (No pun intended) and decided to start grinding the finish them off. After looking like the need to remove about 1/8" top and bottom the labor of grinding them clean begins. After a production spell on the angle grinder and a finish on the vertical belt sander I was really happy how they came out. Well day wrapped up with other errands and in passing out I realized I had not changed the rotor back to the 12.19" version on the mock spindle. So all the extra grinding was to fit the smaller rotor which the project was to stuff the larger one in. I couldn't be more pissed. The only saving grace was that I know the 11.75" will fit the 15" rims. Too bad I have a set of 16" right now. I guess I will get the plasma cutter, a fresh grinding wheel, a couple of new belts for the sander and make set #3. Set #2 for the 11.75" rotors are not at all a waste but I would rather have done them as a back up. I still need to do the welding for the top mount point and drill caliper mounting hole for the Superlite's. So plenty more chance for yet another FLOG entry... Well FAIL #2, actually a sorta’ FAIL…

In checking the NEW bracket on a mocked up rotor and spindle I decided I would verify it’s fit on the 11.75″ rotors. Looked good, took a break (No pun intended) and decided to start grinding the finish them off. After looking like the need to remove about 1/8″ top and bottom the labor of grinding them clean begins. After a production spell on the angle grinder and a finish on the vertical belt sander I was really happy how they came out. Well day wrapped up with other errands and in passing out I realized I had not changed the rotor back to the 12.19″ version on the mock spindle. So all the extra grinding was to fit the smaller rotor which the project was to stuff the larger one in. I couldn’t be more pissed. The only saving grace was that I know the 11.75″ will fit the 15″ rims. Too bad I have a set of 16″ right now. I guess I will get the plasma cutter, a fresh grinding wheel, a couple of new belts for the sander and make set #3. Set #2 for the 11.75″ rotors are not at all a waste but I would rather have done them as a back up. I still need to do the welding for the top mount point and drill caliper mounting hole for the Superlite’s. So plenty more chance for yet another FLOG entry…

]]> By: Sandy http://www.bleachburnout.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/comment-page-1/#comment-239 Sandy Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:38:14 +0000 http://gtsparkplugs.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/#comment-239 Brackets are complete, and they get a FAIL rating. Found several problems that I didn't catch. One, the part that is drilled and tapped that is bolted to the rotor is not right. The hole was not perpendicular to the face of the metal and when you tighten down the bolt it is not flat. FAIL 1, not sure why I didn't catch that, but I think that is a major FAIL and gets an appropriate FLOG entry here. The second was the weld for the metal block was very wide and due to how I positioned the caliper bracket to the mounting bracket the weld was about 1/4" in the way. That is only a partial FAIL as I could clean it up. After all that I just decided to start from scratch and get a new pattern that will work with 11.75 and 12.19 rotors. I have the sample printed on paper and will make a template to trace when doing the plasma cutting. This should make the clean up of the bracket much easier. FAIL Pictures to be posted on the main site soon. Brackets are complete, and they get a FAIL rating. Found several problems that I didn’t catch. One, the part that is drilled and tapped that is bolted to the rotor is not right. The hole was not perpendicular to the face of the metal and when you tighten down the bolt it is not flat. FAIL 1, not sure why I didn’t catch that, but I think that is a major FAIL and gets an appropriate FLOG entry here. The second was the weld for the metal block was very wide and due to how I positioned the caliper bracket to the mounting bracket the weld was about 1/4″ in the way. That is only a partial FAIL as I could clean it up. After all that I just decided to start from scratch and get a new pattern that will work with 11.75 and 12.19 rotors. I have the sample printed on paper and will make a template to trace when doing the plasma cutting. This should make the clean up of the bracket much easier. FAIL Pictures to be posted on the main site soon.

]]> By: Sandy http://www.bleachburnout.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/comment-page-1/#comment-238 Sandy Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:06:43 +0000 http://gtsparkplugs.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/#comment-238 Once bracket is getting close. I cut the notch for the upper mounting and drilled the bottom mounting hole for the spindle. Note to self drill more carefully next time... Pictures on the site will be up soon. Once bracket is getting close. I cut the notch for the upper mounting and drilled the bottom mounting hole for the spindle. Note to self drill more carefully next time…

Pictures on the site will be up soon.

]]> By: Sandy http://www.bleachburnout.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/comment-page-1/#comment-237 Sandy Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:36:30 +0000 http://gtsparkplugs.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/#comment-237 Ok, check out the page. Work well underway on the brackets for the Tiger - http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/BrakeBracket.html Hit the plasma cutter and then the angle grinder for a transition of raw to finished part. Well not really finished, the mounting boss still needs to be installed in the bracket. So still more work to do. I will not mount the calipers until I can verify that rims can be fitted with 12.19" rotors just in case I have to revert back to the 11.75" size. I would hate to have to do that work twice as it was a lot of dirty grinding and sanding. See the link above Ok, check out the page. Work well underway on the brackets for the Tiger -

http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/BrakeBracket.html

Hit the plasma cutter and then the angle grinder for a transition of raw to finished part. Well not really finished, the mounting boss still needs to be installed in the bracket. So still more work to do. I will not mount the calipers until I can verify that rims can be fitted with 12.19″ rotors just in case I have to revert back to the 11.75″ size. I would hate to have to do that work twice as it was a lot of dirty grinding and sanding. See the link above

]]> By: Sandy http://www.bleachburnout.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/comment-page-1/#comment-236 Sandy Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:00:35 +0000 http://gtsparkplugs.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/#comment-236 Metal has been delivered from OnLine Metals. I have a one foot section of 1/2" steel and a 1 foot section of 3/8" steel. I will be firing up the plasma cutter this weekend and hopefully cut 2 sample brackets. I'm hopeful that my Miller 625 is happy with the 1/2" material as that will give it a lot of threads for the caliper mounts. I think the 3/8" would be fine but I'll start with the 1/2. I can profile it later at my friends machine shop to remove some of the excess material as needed. Will get some pics up on the main site as it goes... Metal has been delivered from OnLine Metals. I have a one foot section of 1/2″ steel and a 1 foot section of 3/8″ steel. I will be firing up the plasma cutter this weekend and hopefully cut 2 sample brackets. I’m hopeful that my Miller 625 is happy with the 1/2″ material as that will give it a lot of threads for the caliper mounts. I think the 3/8″ would be fine but I’ll start with the 1/2. I can profile it later at my friends machine shop to remove some of the excess material as needed. Will get some pics up on the main site as it goes…

]]> By: Sandy http://www.bleachburnout.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/comment-page-1/#comment-235 Sandy Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:32:11 +0000 http://gtsparkplugs.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/#comment-235 As this is the FLOG the studs, of course didn't fit. The Knurl Side was too small and they were too loose. I guess the hubs are not standard Mustang II drilled. So the 120 bucks for studs will be sold or returned. The ones that are the right size are about 32 bucks for the set. Nice. And they say no one is spending money... As this is the FLOG the studs, of course didn’t fit. The Knurl Side was too small and they were too loose. I guess the hubs are not standard Mustang II drilled. So the 120 bucks for studs will be sold or returned. The ones that are the right size are about 32 bucks for the set. Nice. And they say no one is spending money…

]]> By: Sandy http://www.bleachburnout.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/comment-page-1/#comment-234 Sandy Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:59:37 +0000 http://gtsparkplugs.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/#comment-234 Well after revisiting the issues, I decided NOT to get the .93" offset hats. This would be easy but I think long term would definitely cause a problem since effectively the caliper is now about .5" farther out from the hat face. So the nice Wilwood brackets are to be ditched. Ordered up some 3/8" and 1/2" steel plate and some other material and it looks like the best plan is to just make the F'n brackets from scratch. What a long road of being lazy to get to this point. Oh well, will get to use the plasma cutter and welder which is always fun. By doing it myself I'll be able to pull the caliper as far back as possible which will help when rims are to be made. CAD work done on a sample bracket, will have to cut one out to see if it is close but the paper part looks ok. The tricky part is getting the caliper as close to the top of the rotor as practical but keep the pads all in the right location (not too high up). Not too hard but some careful work before final drilling of the mounting holes for the caliper. Pictures coming soon for the new bracket. The Mustang II / Pinto bracket does suck in a sense since the way it is held together is a bolt from behind and a bolt inline from the bracket. So the bolts direction are 90 degrees off if you can visualize that. Just take a look at a Pinto/MustangII caliper and you will see. Pain to make, but that is how it is... Well after revisiting the issues, I decided NOT to get the .93″ offset hats. This would be easy but I think long term would definitely cause a problem since effectively the caliper is now about .5″ farther out from the hat face. So the nice Wilwood brackets are to be ditched. Ordered up some 3/8″ and 1/2″ steel plate and some other material and it looks like the best plan is to just make the F’n brackets from scratch. What a long road of being lazy to get to this point. Oh well, will get to use the plasma cutter and welder which is always fun. By doing it myself I’ll be able to pull the caliper as far back as possible which will help when rims are to be made. CAD work done on a sample bracket, will have to cut one out to see if it is close but the paper part looks ok. The tricky part is getting the caliper as close to the top of the rotor as practical but keep the pads all in the right location (not too high up). Not too hard but some careful work before final drilling of the mounting holes for the caliper. Pictures coming soon for the new bracket. The Mustang II / Pinto bracket does suck in a sense since the way it is held together is a bolt from behind and a bolt inline from the bracket. So the bolts direction are 90 degrees off if you can visualize that. Just take a look at a Pinto/MustangII caliper and you will see. Pain to make, but that is how it is…

]]> By: Sandy http://www.bleachburnout.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/comment-page-1/#comment-233 Sandy Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:59:53 +0000 http://gtsparkplugs.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/#comment-233 Got the calipers and guess what, they are way off. Didn't expect them to really fit, but I had high hopes and was a bit disappointed when they didn't. After measurement it seems the rotor hats that are on the Cobra Package are .93" and the ones on the suspension are 1.4" offset. Which calculated about right. Off to summit racing for another order. The hat's will, no doubt, also not fit my hub or bolt diameter. Just trying to set the expectations low now. What this also means is that the outside of the caliper is moved farther out then expected and I'll bet that the center pad on the rim is going to have to be thick. Well more to report after the parts come in. The bracketing did work out very nice so I 'got' that going for me. I also ordered the 3" ARP studs to replace the short ones. Will also have to see if they fit the hub... More as it unfolds. Got the calipers and guess what, they are way off. Didn’t expect them to really fit, but I had high hopes and was a bit disappointed when they didn’t. After measurement it seems the rotor hats that are on the Cobra Package are .93″ and the ones on the suspension are 1.4″ offset. Which calculated about right. Off to summit racing for another order. The hat’s will, no doubt, also not fit my hub or bolt diameter. Just trying to set the expectations low now. What this also means is that the outside of the caliper is moved farther out then expected and I’ll bet that the center pad on the rim is going to have to be thick. Well more to report after the parts come in. The bracketing did work out very nice so I ‘got’ that going for me. I also ordered the 3″ ARP studs to replace the short ones. Will also have to see if they fit the hub… More as it unfolds.

]]> By: Sandy http://www.bleachburnout.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/comment-page-1/#comment-232 Sandy Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:51:04 +0000 http://gtsparkplugs.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/#comment-232 The calipers have shipped from summit, so hopefully either Friday or Monday I will have them in hand. This will be the moment of truth. I hope things align up with just the planned offset differences between the Dynalite vs. Superlite dimensional differences. The thing that may (well I should say will) change things is that in using a different (the Wilwood bracket) I have no baseline where things were. It could be that things will align perfectly with the correct brake hat, and I'm hoping that it is the one that might already be in use. However, in looking at the images in the instructions the hat looks a lot more narrow, which is not good. If that is the case I'll have to hack the original bracket to support the different pattern. Tick Tock, will have to wait and see... The calipers have shipped from summit, so hopefully either Friday or Monday I will have them in hand. This will be the moment of truth. I hope things align up with just the planned offset differences between the Dynalite vs. Superlite dimensional differences. The thing that may (well I should say will) change things is that in using a different (the Wilwood bracket) I have no baseline where things were. It could be that things will align perfectly with the correct brake hat, and I’m hoping that it is the one that might already be in use. However, in looking at the images in the instructions the hat looks a lot more narrow, which is not good. If that is the case I’ll have to hack the original bracket to support the different pattern. Tick Tock, will have to wait and see…

]]> By: Sandy http://www.bleachburnout.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/comment-page-1/#comment-231 Sandy Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:42:56 +0000 http://gtsparkplugs.com/blog/2008/12/29/brake-madness/#comment-231 Well, next day and my neighbor got the box of goodies. He brought them over and I cracked them open. Seems like the bracket fits the Mustang II spindle just fine and the Rotors are a bit heavier then the non-directional style, but I'll give up a bit of weight for better brakes. Waiting for Calipers now, will see how much monkeying things will need to get the rotor centered in the caliper. Page now up for the Tiger Front Suspension <a target="_blank" title="Sunbeam Tiger Front Suspension" href="http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TigerFrontSuspension.html">here</a> or by this link http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TigerFrontSuspension.html Well, next day and my neighbor got the box of goodies. He brought them over and I cracked them open. Seems like the bracket fits the Mustang II spindle just fine and the Rotors are a bit heavier then the non-directional style, but I’ll give up a bit of weight for better brakes. Waiting for Calipers now, will see how much monkeying things will need to get the rotor centered in the caliper. Page now up for the Tiger Front Suspension here

or by this link

http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TigerFrontSuspension.html

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